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The Role of an Architect
06-10-2008, 01:55 PM
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The Role of an Architect
In recent years the role and responsibility of an Architect has changed from that associated with a lead consultant to a minor one. Why is this and is it to the benefit of the industry?
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06-10-2008, 08:18 PM
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RE: The Role of an Architect
yelkcub69 Wrote:In recent years the role and responsibility of an Architect has changed from that associated with a lead consultant to a minor one. Why is this and is it to the benefit of the industry?

On complex construction projects under new CDM Regulations the role of Architects is to design the projects, not to manage.

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06-10-2008, 08:35 PM
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RE: The Role of an Architect
citydevelopment Wrote:On complex construction projects under new CDM Regulations the role of Architects is to design the projects, not to manage.

Agreed - but in the 80's Architect's carried out the Project Manager's role. This changed well before CDM existed. Why did this happen? Is it because they could not cope with the requirements of modern construction or was it because they now simply use CAD and thus are just glorified PC operators?
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07-10-2008, 09:40 AM
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RE: The Role of an Architect
I think construction has become ever more technically challenging and specialised. Due to this fact it is very difficult for somebody to be an expert in all fields. Due to the increased numbers of companies that specialise in one part of the industry the Architect no longer has to become a specialist. He can call on others to offer advice and solutions. These specialists will then usually offer a design service on which they will carry PI, therefore this ultimately dilutes the Architects role.
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07-10-2008, 10:51 AM
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RE: The Role of an Architect
yelkcub69 Wrote:
citydevelopment Wrote:On complex construction projects under new CDM Regulations the role of Architects is to design the projects, not to manage.

Agreed - but in the 80's Architect's carried out the Project Manager's role. This changed well before CDM existed. Why did this happen? Is it because they could not cope with the requirements of modern construction or was it because they now simply use CAD and thus are just glorified PC operators?

Many issues such as Health and Safety, Environment, Building Regulations become more complex it is quite difficult to keep in touch with them apart from original duties. I guess it is just evolution in construction.

Andriy

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07-10-2008, 09:38 PM
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RE: The Role of an Architect
Agreed but the many issues you referred to do not really explain this. For example you now have Project Managers but they do not deal with those issues but engage consultants on behalf of the clients. Architects could have done the same. If it was evolution in construction as you suggest does that mean that superior species have replaced them? Food for thought!
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08-10-2008, 09:24 AM
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RE: The Role of an Architect
yelkcub69 Wrote:If it was evolution in construction as you suggest does that mean that superior species have replaced them? Food for thought!

Many new more specialised species are combining to replace part of the Architects role.
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08-10-2008, 11:40 AM
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RE: The Role of an Architect
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I think that you have missed the point - the role we were discussing was the Client's Project Management one that Architect's took on in the 80's which now Project Managers have now taken from them. The "many new more specialized species" that you refer to in the main are subservient to the Project Manager who co-ordinates them. The question is, why did Architect's allow themselves to be pushed to the side by Project Managers rather than adapt and maintain the dominant role?
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08-10-2008, 02:48 PM
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RE: The Role of an Architect
Here is some of the duties of Construction Project Manger on the modern construction project.

* Review and formulate an action plan of activities from the documentation handed over from the initial bid team* Prepare a detailed program of the works and sequence diagrams* Plan the site layout and offices set up* Prepare a detailed schedule of site staff responsibilities* Prepare site safety plan* Prepare environmental procedures plan* Prepare buying plan* Prepare information required schedule* Prepare site specific quality procedures* Ensure the Co-ordination and control the proposed plans and schedules* Make adjustments to the plans as necessary* Resolve disputes between parties* Receive instructions and act accordingly* Lead the internal and external teams* Co-ordinate with internal departments and ensure the necessary records are maintained* Ensure the Company complies with third party agreement and statutory legislation* Maintain relations with the Client, consultants and neighbours* Identify any contractual issues and escalate appropriately* Make arrangements for handover of the project* Compile an archive for the project and store in the office archive* Review project performance*

So my opinion that architects just could not posses enough knowledge as it is very time consuming to curry the project manager role anymore.
As from original technical skills this role involves organizational skills, money management, knowledge of constructional law, document processing etc.

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08-10-2008, 07:07 PM
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RE: The Role of an Architect
But in all honest do the Project Managers do all that all sublet it to sub-consultants? Me thinks they sublet it.

But it is interesting that you say that architects just could not posses enough knowledge to sublet those duties. Surely an Architects role involves some organizational skills, money management, knowledge of constructional law, document processing etc. Really what you are saying is that they were too inflexible to adapt and change with the times or am I reading you wrong?
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